Good luck again; would be great to see you Number 1 two times in a row. Give us your PPS on October 19th, as well
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/264390-apple-fiscal-q2-earnings-preview
Good luck to us all…….
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All these iPhone 5 delay rumors making the rounds again. I found an article on Computerworld from late Feb mentioning this, so it’s been out for a while and spreading. What do you all think? Does it really matter in the end?
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Go Nicu Go. I’d say over 16M as a very very conservative guess.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/07/how-many-iphones-did-apple-sell-last-quarter/
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Happy Thanksgiving to our American friends. May you have safe travels and good times with friends and family. And may you forget the markets till Monday.
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GotWake
Thanks Mike. I guess it’s a belated Happy Thanksgiving to you guys.
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Hey everyone, am I missing something or is this huge? If they sold 100M iOS devices last quarter, and they have sold already 20M so far this quarter for a total of 120M , with still one month remaining and new Touches on the way, and with 230K new activations daily, and with more countries selling iPhone 4s in September, won’t the next quarter be an absolute monster quarter? Let’s say, 30M devices, 15M iPhones, 10M iPod Touches¬†and 5M iPads; wouldn’t that be insane?
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rastard
Yes.
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chach17
Maybe I’m missing something, but doesn’t 30M devices seems a bit on the high side? 230,000 activations per day equates to just over 20M per quarter. 30M devices next quarter would be a 50% gain over the current quarter. Where did you get 20M as the number already sold this quarter – seems like that would be more like 330,000 activations per day.
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rastard
I think Mike already answered part of your question:
- new Touches on the way
- more countries selling iPhone 4s in SeptemberAnd has broken down where he thinks the sales will come from:
- 30M devices, 15M iPhones, 10M iPod Touches and 5M iPads (I myself think those figures might be a bit optimistic, but who knows).
But yeah, your question about where he got “and they have sold already 20M so far this quarter… with still one month remaining” is one that I had as well. If Apple is activating at 230K a day, “so far this quarter” should be more like 14M. I’m also not clear where “If they sold 100M iOS devices last quarter” came from, or why we would add that together with this quarter’s to-date sales to get a “total of 120M”.
However, I agree with him that *if* Apple sells “30M devices: 15M iPhones, 10M iPod Touches and 5M iPads”, it would indeed be insane.
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rastard
To clarify my last post, I do recognize that Apple sold “100M iOS devices total [AS OF] last quarter” (and that was where Mike got the ‚Äútotal of 120M‚Äù from). I just wasn’t clear what the significance of that was supposed to be…
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mikeinmontreal
I just meant that if they already actually sold 20M in 2 months, another 10M in September isn’t a stretch since more iPhone 4 availability and new Touches. Now I don’t know if the 230K daily activations are since Day 1 of the quarter. But we do know that from the end of last quarter till yesterday there were 120M iOS devices. One poster from another forum read it as 230K 3G activations (iPad 3G and iPhones). My guesstimate for unit sales was just that. A guess. I may be reading it totally wrong; none of the analysts seem interested.
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Nicu
100M was achieved sometime in June but we do not know exactly when; I would suspect that 230k/d is what we have now and was increasing during the last 2 months (more countries for iP4 and better supply of iPads) so even if it continues to increase in September, the average would not be much better; multiply by 90 days and you get something a bit shy of 21M
12M iP4, 5M iPads and 4M iPods touch would be great that would mean about (very speculative) $5.7B in gross margin only from iOS devices – in numbers one could actually check, assuming those sales, I would say $20B in revenue and $4.8 EPS
I hope we get a little better than that
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caruso2323
My bet is on 11M iPhones (although I am starting to lean more towards 12M iP,s, but 8M iPodTouch), and 6M iPad’s… 20B + (Revenues) and about 4.75 EPS …
I think market’s reaction will be positive (7% rise over a week) perhaps WILD if Oppenheimer gives a BULLISH guidance as he did last quarter… Next quarter will be HUGE ! … I expect nothing less than 20M iPhones and 9M-10M iPads (Apple will surely boost iPad production over 3M/month) IMHO
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mikeinmontreal
Nicu is the 2nd highest of the bloggers…Good Luck, Nicu….
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Nicu
Thanks, if I am right or close, most of us win, as we are long AAPL
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Hey Fanboys, I am a little spooked by the markets this week and a little nervous about my Jan 11 270 and 280 calls (maybe prematurely)…I remember last October when we gapped up from around 188 to 208 after earnings and then it was basically 190 to 215 trading range until end of February when we shot straight up from about 197 to 272 after April earnings…Now with these damned weekly options, I am looking ahead 5 months…On a break-even basis, I could roll out from my Jan 11 270s and 280s to April 11 290s and 300s….this would buy me 3 additional months of peace and an extra earnings report (the 2 most profitable ones coming up) for 20 higher strike price. Any thoughts? And I know that your advice and $3 gets me a ride on the bus in Montreal
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Nicu
Not really a fanboy here, but close enough – just very optimistic about AAPL.
If you go by this logic, last year it was almost flat from October to the beginning of April. Anyway, I don’t thinks there will be a strong correlation.
What I did with those $270 and $280 Jan ’11 calls is that I bought for about $3.3 a lower strike, instead of more time. I will try to “buy” more time if the stock goes up and they have good value to trade (for a later date with higher strike). I plan to do the converse (exchange back to $270 and $280 strikes) first, for about the double $6.6
It may not work if October earnings have the same effect as July earnings, but I doubt that without a double dip this is possible – earnings should be huge this time, I don’t expect Apple to do the same as Intel about those $18B of revenue, on the contrary, I think they will beat it nicely (~$20B).
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mikeinmontreal
Thanks, Nicu…and I meant Fanboys in a positive way…I am one myself…
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hocm12
I’m not a big fan of options that far out and out of the money. You are wasting your money on time premium and you have very little delta. I only buy in the money calls 1-2 months out, buy you have to be patient and time right. I destroyed the averages with this strategy
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mikeinmontreal
Thanks, hocm12…I may try a bit of that strategy for November….
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conshmillo
Everyone needs to form their own picture about where market is heading in immediate and longer term time frame. So I can not tell you to listen to my estimate or advice, because if market does something else as it might, you may feel you’ve got screwed by listening to someone’s else estimate. So I am not giving you advice, just my view.
In general I don’t try to figure out where markets will be a year from now because it is impossible. Too many conditions and influences will have much different values than they have today. I usually try to get picture of what market will do next week to next month. And to do that I use 90% of time no older data than 3 months. As far as I am concerned market didn’t exist 3 months ago. I don’t care what was happening in August 1970 because I don’t believe it has any correlation to what’s happening in August 2010. Only time I look at larger time frame (remaining 10%) is when 3 month charts are giving me 50/50 chances. Then I load 2 years/weekly chart and look where that is at.
One can never tell for sure what market/stock will do, and technical analysis is not an exercise in telling what they will do. Technical analysis is an exercise in finding out what ODDS (chances) of rise or fall are for studied period (tomorrow, next week, next month)
Why I am saying all of that. Right now I think we are at the bottom of the down curve and I think odds based on those TA are that starting next week we’ll see some upward motion. I think selling right now would be at the bottom of current curve. I have to say I could be completely wrong but I will base my own trading decisions next week based on assumption we are going higher. That is I will be buying very short term oversold dips in belief they will rise right back again. I think if you want to start unloading some options you should do it at the top of the curve. These are the times when non-technical crowd is all excited, not paying attention where in the cycle we are. MACD on dailies (3 months) is curving up nicely and I believe current bullish cross on stochastic will push MACD to it’s own bullish cross next week.
Also if you are into the longer term options take some time and have a look at bull call spreads. You can buy more for less and risk less! You can buy at the money bull call spread for the price of far OTM call of the same expiration date.
just my $20.00
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mikeinmontreal
Thanks, consh. I am waiting this week to see how the iPod event plays out. I see that weekly options are continuing again this week.
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Bye Bye Netbooks……
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rastard
Don’t all Macs use Intel processors these days?
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RattyUK
@rastard
“Don‚Äôt all Macs use Intel processors these days?”
Yes but Apple’s sales of processors is relatively small. Apple make great margins. Intel not so much.
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mikeinmontreal
Yes….but netbooks use mostly those Intel Atom processors…that’s where the iPad is hitting them…
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And will we gap after the event?
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mikeinmontreal
I meant gap up.
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conshmillo
Tomorrow is a toss coin. 50/50. It will be volatile. But I am convinced there definitely will be a gap up, as if you look at technicals (dailies) we are totally in place for reversal. A lot of fear is already priced in, so even if GDP is negative tomorrow, but not totally terrible, we should bounce back after initial selloff. That’s the opportunity I mentioned in my Monday’s This Week Events post.
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carlmuck
@conshmillo
I agree with the coin toss, but fear that the number may be 0, in which case look out below (at least for a day or so), while I HOPE for a good number (ONLY a 1% drop in GDP to 1.4%), and then maybe we can get back to “normal”.As for “the event” unless there’s something real big (like the 7″ iPad AND announce immediate availability of iPhone 4 on VZ) this market just doesn’t seem to have the heart for a bounce.
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caruso2323
be careful GDP numbers : 2.4% is ANNUALIZED GDP : 3.7% Q1-10, and 1.3% Q2-10
So the expected Q2-10 is 1.3% (1% , and 1.5% : worst and best)
Even if it hits 1.3% or slightly more there may be not much a reaction at it is a rear mirrored reflection of the economy… and the market is supposed to be sniffing the economy 3 – 6 months from now…It is always safer to sell than to buy or to hold when there is uncertainty …
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rastard
“It is always safer to sell than to buy or to hold when there is uncertainty ‚Ķ”
Isn’t it always “safer” to sell than anything else — whether there is uncertainty or not?
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caruso2323
@rastard
with a 2.0 GDP It is safer to buy … lol
buy low sell High…
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Nicu
1.6%
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caruso2323
Ups … Correction
Q2-10 GDP : 1.6% (better than expected 1.3%) … Worst expected 1.0% …
Q1+2-10 GDP = (3.7+1.6)=2.65%This bodes better especially with yesterday’s drop by 37K in new Unemployment claims…
A) So no Double Dip …
B) 2.65% insufficient to create jobs
C) More Jobs will likely IMHO be created after September
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carlmuck
Watching price action today, I can’t understand why anyone would actually buy AAPL stock at a price other than a $10 increment. $240 today? Who was the idiot (not me!) that purchased at 242.81? I guess they thought, hey good news means that the stock is worth owning….
For being the 2nd highest market cap company in the world, it certainly looks like there’s someone/group playing games with the rubes that own the stock.
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caruso2323
I think the dip to 235 was provoked by Moody’s chief’s declaration that “the odds of a new recession is uncomfortably high” … Coming from Moody can indeed be scary … But WTF ! … Who feels comfortable about the economy especially with all those negative news being hashed and re-hashed ! …
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caruso2323
The market is reacting like as if Bernanke would have raised the interest rate ! … In a show to display his confidence in the economy picking up speed (in 2011) ! …
His reluctance in easing monetary policies is a display in his lack of conviction that there is a threat of a double dip … That was a much stronger action than his previous statement of “unusual uncertainty” …
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People are camping out in front of Apple Stores daily across the country in case a shipment arrives. Some luck out, some don’t. It is truly insane as compared to the 3GS launch. I imagine the same exists for other countries. The next 2 quarters will be huge. We just have to wait out the weekly 260 pin. Next catalyst: iPod event on September 8th or around then. If rumors are true about the next gen, that’s another home run.
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Nicu
it’s not only the weekly pin, next week is a large monthly one (30k $250 calls, 40k $260 calls, 40k $270 calls and so on) – I’m afraid (for my $260) calls that if nothing extraordinary happens this week, next week is a losing battle
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Nicu
correction : 24.5k, 34.5k, 42.5k, 42.5k, 31.4k, 31.5k (open interest for Aug calls from $250 to $300)
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mikeinmontreal
Good luck for next week. I am staying away in the short term for now. Maybe buy some more Jan 11 calls since the premiums have been lowered considerably.
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Nicu
yep, I made a huge mistake going for the short term – I had a very long winning streak with calls so I said it’s time to invest those gains into something bold – it turned out it was so bold it became stupid
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GotWake
I’m in the same boat Nicu. I’m really surprised that we have gotten stuck here. I was expecting this baby in the upper $270s.
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Nicu 5:55 am on September 30, 2011 232 days ago Reply
Thanks. I actually did my estimates few days ago but I was quite busy and I did not post about it. Here are the numbers. I do not make predictions on the share price (I only make bets using options, trying to estimate probabilities for different levels).
I hope to find the time this week-end to write an article on Seeking Alpha to explain my methodology and particular reasons for those estimates for Q4.