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    conshmillo

    conshmillo 8:00 am on January 26, 2012 - 11 days ago

    There is this big front page article on Huffington Post (which I generally like to read) titled ROTTEN TO THE CORE (and Apple logo) pointing to a critical article in New York Times about conditions of Chinesse workers working on Apple products.
    I was looking at that and was thinking to myself – where the fuck people do you think is the rest of the stuff you buy made. Give me a break targeting Apple for working conditions in a developing country. As they will become developed country their conditions will improve. I find it extremely silly to be comparing conditions of workers in developing countries to workers conditions in developed countries. I am pretty sure that working at Foxconn is for many migrant workers a great improvement from poverty in rural areas. Sure I wish them to have better conditions but like every other country (or individual), they will have to get there.

    SOURCE:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html

     
    • conshmillo

      conshmillo 8:11 am on January 26, 2012 11 days ago

      btw. Foxconn factory is actually city of 230,000 people. it is bound to have certain amount of accidents as any place of that size would have. It makes you really think who would have interest day after announcing stellar results to attack Apple in particular for things that go for every single product made in China. In Huffington Post this was the MAIN article of their site at the same level as yesterday Obama’s state of Union was (which was great) Somebody is trying hard to smear Apple. Maybe Android fanboys think their products are made by unionized workers with free health care in Fresno…

    • GotWake

      GotWake 12:45 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      Yes, I get so fucking tired of hearing about this too. They forget:

      Acer Inc.
      Amazon
      ASRock
      Asus
      Barnes & Noble
      Cisco
      Dell
      EVGA Corporation
      Hewlett-Packard
      Intel
      IBM
      Lenovo
      Logitech
      Microsoft
      MSI
      Motorola
      Netgear
      Nintendo
      Nokia
      Panasonic
      Philips
      Sharp
      Sony Ericsson
      Toshiba
      Vizio

      People are so noble up until it affects their wallet. I wonder how long a company like Panasonic would last if it sold products at a 70% premium to Sharp for the same product just to have “Made in the USA” on it? I’m betting the company would go under and the Huffington Post would be posting articles on how the company couldn’t compete.

    • eatingbeets

      eatingbeets 3:10 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      Not to mention that Apple single-handedly funded a 20% raise for the entire Foxconn workforce in 2010. Pretty generous gesture IMO.

      Source:
      http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Apple+Cuts+07+Percent+of+iPad+Profit+to+Give+Factory+Workers+Big+Raise/article18571.htm

      • Senator Gronk

        Senator Gronk 4:00 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

        Not to mention the fact that 1 iPhone can replace 5 other household devices. I haven’t bought a timer, stopwatch, alarm clock, car stereo, nav system, small tv for the bedroom, etc. Because I have an iPhone. Sure, I’m reaching a bit, but let’s look at the waste before we piss and moan about the winner. Apple might be helping more than it’s hurting.

    • nolavabo

      nolavabo 7:45 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      I noticed that in many of the stories that covered the recent mass suicide threat by Foxconn workers that no mention was made that they worked in the *exclusively* Xbox plant, instead continuing to describe Foxconn as the iPhone assembler.

      Apple is the only tech company to join the Fair Labor Association. This is where you provide the FLA a complete list of your suppliers, and they in turn monitor the work conditions, posting any abuses or violations that they find on their website.

      Apple may not deserve praise for this, as we do not know the true motivations behind it. In many ways it is the minimum that any large corporation should do. Is it merely responding to public pressure from stories such as this one in the NYT? Or do they genuinely have concern for these workers? Regardless of why, however, Apple certainly does not deserve to be criticised without a comparison being made to the rest of the tech industry.

    • JPWatkins

      JPWatkins 7:48 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      It annoys me that they specifically target Apple. But Apple has asked for it by touting their superiority in this area. Apple has been hypocritical and has been positioning themselves for “plausible deniability” rather than “right livelihood.” This actually goes strongly against their brand and it will cause harm to it.

      It really pisses me off that Apple execs have trashed american workers and manufacturing and that Steve said, “Those jobs are never coming back.” While there is a kernel of truth to their mindset, it’s way out of alignment with reality. It’s all about what is expedient for Apple, not what is actually true. A company as big and influential as Apple creates the norm by their actions, whether for good or bad. A 20% raise is significant, but it only brought workers wages up to $0.40/hour.

      It’s great that the design, engineering, etc. is done in the US, but they need to consider bringing appropriate portions of the manufacturing back to the US. Many other companies have found it to be the smart and economical thing to do WRT costs, convenience and quality, so I’m skeptical of Apple’s position on this.

    • Nicu

      Nicu 8:26 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      • Nicu

        Nicu 8:27 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

        sorry, not that one
        http://bit.ly/yqzlYy

        • Nicu

          Nicu 8:29 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

          everybody hates the winner, especially the competition which is getting literally killed by Apple (m$, nok, nintendo, moto, rim, goog soon, htc, sony to some extent, hp, dell, acer, asus etc.)

        • JPWatkins

          JPWatkins 11:26 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

          I heard on NPR a few days ago that some clever young Indian folks developed a phone game for distribution (for free) in India that educates people not to take part in some activity. I think it may have had to do with dowries for brides or even killing brides if dowries are not paid (sorry I can’t remember exactly.) Pretty creative.
          In any case, Apple needs to consider carefully what kind of a company they want to be in the eyes of their customers.

    • henrystar

      Richard 9:05 pm on January 26, 2012 10 days ago

      You are ever so right, Conshmillo! Our world is not perfect, and Apple has been pretty darned good recently on worker conditions AND on environmental impact.

    • Zee

      Zee 4:52 am on January 27, 2012 10 days ago

      Smearing won’t work. Apart from people learning about who does and doesn’t do the offshore thing, the bottom line is that it’s legal. People must realize that change will occur. The movement of nations is never painless or easy. I feel that Apple’s influence has led and is worthy of respect. I think that Apple’s success is what’s really bugging people.

    • Nicu

      Nicu 9:11 am on January 27, 2012 10 days ago

    • Nicu

      Nicu 2:07 pm on January 27, 2012 9 days ago

      one of the 10% MDN takes I agree with lately, which is more or less what I have said yesterday, only more artistically
      http://macdailynews.com/2012/01/27/apple-ceo-tim-cook-we-care-about-every-worker-in-our-supply-chain/

    • Nicu

      Nicu 2:20 pm on January 27, 2012 9 days ago

      • Nicu

        Nicu 2:23 pm on January 27, 2012 9 days ago

        every thinking person can reach the conclusions, but sometimes it is just easier to see what those from inside say; if you never saw children who are hungry, it’s probably hard to imagine how life is in China

      • JPWatkins

        JPWatkins 9:12 pm on January 30, 2012 6 days ago

        I doubt that it’s Apple’s rivals who are doing this, but otherwise that takes sounds pretty true.
        In fact it’s probably more that people just love to hate the successful cocky company (or just any company that they love.) It’s a weird psychological behavior.

        Again what bothers me most (aside from desperate people having few good choices and bing taken advantage of) is that this whole story is being told as “Apple does X” but, as is consistent with my first point, that’s what sells the papers, magazines, and TV (even if you consume it on your iPad!)

    • Nicu

      Nicu 8:07 pm on January 29, 2012 7 days ago

      “Boycotting Apple for better Foxconn wages and conditions is like having sex for virginity. Entirely counter-productive and exactly the wrong thing to be doing.”
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/01/29/the-apple-boycott-people-are-spouting-nonsense-about-chinese-manufacturing/2/

    • Nicu

      Nicu 8:08 pm on January 29, 2012 7 days ago

    • Nicu

      Nicu 6:31 am on January 31, 2012 6 days ago

  • nolavabo

    nolavabo 12:21 pm on January 25, 2012 - 12 days ago

    (Cut n paste of my comment from PED’s blog on CNN)

    The Q4 2011 “miss” made me look long and hard at where I, the analysts, and the bloggers went wrong.

    It all comes down to a single data point – listen to Peter Oppenheimer! Always! He telegraphed in no uncertain terms that they would come in light, guiding $5.50.

    For this Q just in he did the same – he was shouting it out loud and clear that it would be a monumental quarter, guiding at $9.30.

    Looking at (thanks PED!) the historical (back to mid 2006) beat over guidance, we get a range of 19 to 61%. At guidance of $9.30, and using the lowest beat of 19%, we get $11.07, a full dollar over Street consensus. Using the upper third, or a 50% beat, we get almost exactly the actual result of $13.87. And FYI, that “miss” was still a 28% beat of their own guidance.

    The analyst who predicted that Apple would miss their *own* guidance should be fired on the spot.

    This range is golden, and Oppy’s guidance is everything. The only fiddling that we, the investing public, need do is to gauge whether it was a good or great quarter and accordingly adjust where on the 19 to 61% range we should be sliding the needle.

    So, heads up for next Q. At guidance of $8.50 we arrive at an EPS range of $10.11 to $13.69. Don’t let anybody say we weren’t all warned in advance!

     
  • 6
    Nicu

    Nicu 9:31 pm on January 24, 2012 - 12 days ago

    EPS 13.87$
    Rev. $46.33B
    GM 44.7%

    iPhone 37M
    iPad 15.4M
    Mac 5.2M
    iPod 15.4M

     
  • Nicu 5:49 pm on January 24, 2012 - 12 days ago

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    • henrystar

      Richard 9:45 pm on January 24, 2012 12 days ago

      Android is passé. Dé.jas vu! Vieux jeu. Or, as one says in Japanese, Sayonara, baby!

  • Nicu 6:23 pm on January 23, 2012 - 13 days ago

    Nicu

    Tesla received some tax credit from California ($23.7M) and is planning to invest $292M to expand manufacturing for Model X and battery / power train for Toyota Rav4 EV, while creating 1,237 jobs (they are very precise!). (Dow Jones Venturewire – sorry, no link)

    Now they have estimated in the past that total cost of bringing the Model X to the market is about $150M because they leverage the Model S platform. A drivable prototype will be unveiled on Feb. 9 so a large chunk of those $150M development costs have already been spent.

    So what I see here is a confirmation of the $1B or so order from Toyota they hinted to last summer but probably got an iron fist from their partner in their mouth (the supplier and generally the smaller partner does not announce a deal).

     
  • 3
    GotWake

    GotWake 5:41 am on January 23, 2012 - 14 days ago

    http://business.financialpost.com/2012/01/22/thorsten-heins-to-take-over-as-rim-ceo-as-mike-lazaridis-jim-balsillie-step-down/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NP_Top_Stories+%28National+Post+-+Top+Stories%29

    It’s amazing it took this long. But, it’s too little, too late.

     
    • Nicu

      Nicu 8:41 am on January 23, 2012 14 days ago

      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-23/heins-brings-hardware-skills-to-rim-s-battle-with-apple-google.html

      Bringing a hardware guy to fight Apple and even derivative Android is like bringing a knife in a fighter jet battle. Good luck with that. No idea how the market reacts to that, but if we see $20, I advise anyone stuck with this dead horse to get out.

    • GotWake

      GotWake 5:21 pm on January 23, 2012 13 days ago

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QUFwhpcrCTw

      Innovation – “sometimes we think the unthinkable’ :) A company that has been hemorrhaging market share and value. A company that didn’t believe that the iPhone was possible…….. innovating? LOL

      Thorsten – the captain of a ship that just hit an iceberg in 2007 and is slowly sinking. He just doesn’t know it.

    • Senator Gronk

      Senator Gronk 8:05 pm on January 23, 2012 13 days ago

      Supposedly, the captain of the Costa Concordia was dining with an unregistered passenger when the ship ran aground. I doubt that she was promoted to captain of the ship after the captain hopped into a life boat.

      And yet, isn’t this what RIM just did?

  • 4
    Senator Gronk

    Senator Gronk 3:05 am on January 22, 2012 - 15 days ago

    This is the one weekness that Apple has. They have not needed PR until now, but now they need it. And they need to take a lead on this issue. These jobs ARE gone, but industry isn’t. Apple is the one cpany that uses this supply chain to the best advantage. Other companies use it to build race-to-the-bottom engines.

    Sadly, we’re no longer a manufacturing nation, so we will fumble with this issue before we can understand it. Henry Ford wouldn’t know would be stunned at how we’ve changed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html

     
    • Senator Gronk

      Senator Gronk 3:07 am on January 22, 2012 15 days ago

      Edit: Henry wouldn’t know what to say and would be stunned to see how we’ve changed.

    • JPWatkins

      JPWatkins 9:25 pm on January 23, 2012 13 days ago

      Actually, despite what is commonly thought, I believe the US still has the largest manufacturing output of any nation, and Europe, as a whole, is even larger. I know Chinese manufacturing has grown greatly, and will continue to do so. But Let’s not buy into the “The West is Done!” hype that is senselessly repeated.

    • Senator Gronk

      Senator Gronk 9:37 pm on January 23, 2012 13 days ago

      I certainly don’t believe that the “West is Done!” but there’s a messaging problem here. We probably don’t want the rapidly scalable technology jobs that have left. What happens with iPhone glass might sound sexy but look at the parable of the story: The chinese live in dormitories and the engineer in California wants to see his kids play soccer. We can’t have both. That’s the message that needs to get out. “Let’s find a stable balance of manufacturing that shares the load.”

      Sadly, I could go on for days on this particular topic. It’s not simple. Which is my fear, that this issue blows up out of proportion without someone stewarding the cause for greater quality of manufacturing jobs here in the US while we outsource the lower-overhead work elsewhere. (Which in itself is a political football)

    • JPWatkins

      JPWatkins 11:36 pm on January 23, 2012 13 days ago

      Your response sounds sensible to me.
      What annoys me is that the Apple execs who were quoted in that article were extolling what they called the “quality” and “scalability” of Chinese manufacturing, when in fact what they were praising was the desperate work conditions. People are so disenfranchised that they’ll do whatever they are asked (move into a dorm, work with hazardous chemicals that make them sick, forgo seeing their families for months at a time, etc.) because they have no other option. Plus Apple (and all the others using Foxcon, etc.) doesn’t have to worry their heads about it or get their hands dirty. It’s pathetic (and frankly, it not sustainable.)

  • 3
    conshmillo

    conshmillo 1:39 am on January 20, 2012 - 17 days ago

    In my December Quo Vadis post I argued for DJIA go higher in January. You can see it here. Since then DJIA is up 338 points (2.75%)

    http://www.traderhood.com/2011/12/27/quo-vadis

    Gold behaved as I expected too. It rose above the it’s 1,600 resistance and is hanging at 1,658 at a moment. Gain of 3.62%.

    EUR was real slow to gain as it was pounded daily with negative rhetoric in financial periodicals. On top of it S&P downgraded almost every European country with exception of Germany (and Slovakia) and Fitch is daily fear mongering the news with Greek default. In spite of all of that EUR finally started to gain and was able to bounce off the lows of 1.2623 and make 4 day uninterrupted bullish run to 1.2971. This is the first time since the beginning of November 2011 it was able to finish full uninterrupted stochastic upswing on dailies. Not even the S&P downgrade of the “whole” Europe could push it lower.

    That said, I think EUR will get a short breather here before it can continue higher. I’ll be watching how far it will retrace now that stochastic on dailies is at 80%. A lot of the EUR will be again influenced by media, but my guess is now that it has been able to do full stochastic bounce, it will not retrace more than 50% and I will be increasing my EUR positions on resistance breakouts.

    Both DJIA and gold seems to be slightly on overbought side and I would expect both of them to pull back a bit with DJIA having support at 12,250 and gold having support around 1,620.

    AAPL is technically at overbought levels and I think a lot of the earnings news is already priced in upfront. Unless Apple posts totally unexpected (higher than any expectation) earnings, there will be the “buy rumor – sell news” pullback after the announcement.

     
    • Nicu

      Nicu 2:59 pm on January 20, 2012 16 days ago

      glad to see you back, Vilo, I was afraid I’m alone in this town (I hope you’re fine)

      where did the chat box go?

      • conshmillo

        conshmillo 4:20 am on January 23, 2012 14 days ago

        I am fine, just busy. Euro was pounded so much that there wasn’t much for me to do. Chat is off as there wasn’t much traffic there yet and it will be part of bigger remake. How are you doing on TSLA.?Where you substantially in during that big hit?

        • Nicu

          Nicu 9:59 am on January 23, 2012 14 days ago

          Glad you are fine and that there will be a better Traderhood.

          I was driving while TSLA was crashing so I did not get anything on the cheap.

          My strategy on TSLA is twofold:
          1) long term growth, I think $50 is possible by the end of the year and $80 in 2013.
          2) be prepared for a shot squeeze; I followed closely the situation during November when short interest was at all time high and the stock bounced several times on the $35 wall. With a little help from their friends at MS, shorts got to breathe and they even got some wings recently.

          For 1) I have about 44 Jan ’13 calls and 14 Jan ’14 calls. If cash will be available from AAPL calls, I will increase the 2014 position.

          For the short squeeze I buy 5c calls one to three months out. I think I already lost about $3k on expired Dec and Jan calls and I have a bit over $1k in Mar calls. I will try to finance this strategy until one or two months after the delivery of the Model S, while keeping costs in check.

  • Nicu 9:42 pm on January 19, 2012 - 17 days ago

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    Nicu

    necessary correction in GOOG after missing estimates + quarterly EPS growth of 6.3% y/y
    even so, their P/E will be nicely above 18 tomorrow with anemic growth

    with a P/E of 18 (and growth north of 80% y/y), AAPL would be about $600 on Wednesday after earnings – not gonna happen; but I maintain my prediction that by the end of the year one share of AAPL will be more expensive to buy than one GOOG

     
    • Nicu

      Nicu 9:44 pm on January 19, 2012 17 days ago

      that’s no reason to short GOOG

      as for AMZN, they hugely deserve it, with a P/E north of 100, negative growth and probably a loss during the last quarter

      • conshmillo

        conshmillo 1:41 am on January 20, 2012 17 days ago

        iBook 2/iBook Author should mainly be freaking out Amazon as it is targeted at getting slice of their pie.

  • Nicu 7:31 pm on January 19, 2012 - 17 days ago

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    Nicu

    My earnings estimates $12.46 EPS on $43.85B revenue

    http://t.co/KCV6wT1Z

     
    • Nicu

      Nicu 7:44 pm on January 19, 2012 17 days ago

      details in the picture (I know it’s lazy not to upload it somewhere …)

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